Sunday, March 30, 2008
Opening Day: the Sequel and Fun with Rosters
It seems Major League Baseball decided to expand the (much deserved) hype of Opening Day for as long as possible. Technically, the season started last Tuesday when the Tokyo Red Sox faced off against the Oakland A's for two games. Was anyone else frightened by the sight of 50,000 Japanese Sox fans crammed into the Tokyo Dome? I guess if you put down $100 mil for a pitcher, it doesn't seem so bad knowing you just gained an entire country as a fan base. Either way, more Red Sox fans is not what this world needs. I'm curious how Boston's obvious lack of enthusiasm to represent MLB abroad by playing in Japan went over with the fans there. Yeah, real classy to publicly hold out for more monetary compensation Boston, it's not like you couldn't handle that in private. But I digress....
Opening Day Part II is on Sunday, but only features one game. I know it's a historic event, with the Nats kicking off the season in their brand-new, uber-cool stadium, but the schedule makers couldn't find room for the rest of the teams to play? I wish the regular season would start all at once or at least split the games over a couple days, preferably on the weekend. Many fans treat Opening Day with such reverence that it might as well be a national holiday. Just think of all the marketing and media coverage that goes into the early rounds of the NCAA Tournament; now imagine that same frenzy over two full days of baseball games. I doubt anything like that is going to happen, but there's plenty of money to be made if MLB were to play its cards right.
The Tribe starts their defense of the Central Division crown on Monday against Chicago. Unfortunately, we didn't make the national broadcast that day, but that doesn't mean Tribe fans can't enjoy the first of 50 games ESPN has set for the Yankees this season! That Steinbrenner kid is such a character, I can't wait to hear what he'll say next. I bet A-Rod hits for the cycle twice in that game. Hello? Where'd everybody go?
Marte In
Andy Marte became one of the final players to make the Tribe's 25-man roster earlier this week. He will join Jamey Carroll, David Dellucci, and Kelly Shoppach on the bench. According to Manager Eric Wedge:
We'll see Andy mixed in at third base when we give Casey a day off. I think we'd be comfortable putting him [at first] if we needed him over there.Backup third baseman is obviously the best fit for Marte this season, but how much playing time can he expect behind Blake? Last season, Blake had 145 appearances at 3b, 12 at 1b, 7 in RF, and 1 as DH. It's doubtful Blake will see any significant time in the outfield with Gutz, Dellucci, and Michaels already on the roster and Francisco and Choo waiting in the wings. Assuming Blake remains relatively healthy, that would mean Marte would get just 17 appearances at third; not a realistic number. If Marte were to start once a week at third (similar to the rotation of Martinez and Shoppach at catcher), that would translate to roughly 30 starts, or 120 at-bats.
I agree that the starting third base job is Blake's to lose and he has done nothing to merit a demotion. This puts Wedge in a tricky situation when dealing with Marte though. The Indians really need to find creative ways to get Marte up to the plate on a regular basis. Marte has had several cups of coffee at the major league level, but never a large sample of at-bats in a single season. Below are Marte's previous appearances in the majors:
| Year | Age | Team | PA | H | HR | SB | BB | SO | OBP | SLG |
| 2005 | 21 | ATL | 66 | 8 | 0 | 0 | 7 | 13 | .227 | .211 |
| 2006 | 22 | CLE | 178 | 37 | 5 | 0 | 13 | 38 | .287 | .421 |
| 2007 | 23 | CLE | 60 | 11 | 1 | 0 | 2 | 9 | .233 | .316 |
There are two things that stand out in Marte's old stat lines. The first is how few plate appearances he's had. Marte was supposed to start 2007 on the roster, but an injury and the steady play of Blake left him stranded in Buffalo. Considering Blake had 662 PA in 156 games last season, Marte has not been given a legitimate chance to prove himself yet. The second item of interest is Marte's age. He may have been an elite prospect in Atlanta, but how many 22 year olds are capable of making an immediately successful transition from the minors? Not many. Marte also has a reputation as a slow starter. It seems every time he starts to settle in somewhere, he gets moved, resetting his progress.
There is some uncertainty with Marte, like his inconsistent defense and what he'll really do at the plate if given the chance. Marte helped his cause by posting a .333 OBP, .519 SLG, and 5 HR in 54 AB in spring training. Unfortunately, he also committed 6 errors at third. If Cleveland sees any substantial value in Marte for the future they will have to perform their final evaluation on the fly this season. With no minor league options left, Marte may be off the team by 2009 if the Tribe doesn't like what it sees in 2008.
Francisco and Barfield Out
Josh Barfield and Ben Francisco will be starting the season in AAA. I agree with the Barfield move, but Francisco really should be in Cleveland this year. If there was a better platoon alternative than Dellucci in left field I could understand, but sending Ben back to Buffalo is a waste of everyone's time. Francisco had 12 HR, 22 SB, a .382 OBP, and a .496 SLG and won the International League MVP in Buffalo last season. There's nothing left for him to prove in the minors, especially at 25 years old. Lets take a quick look at stats for Michaels, Dellucci, and Francisco for 2007:
| Player | PA | H | HR | BB | SB | SO | OBP | SLG | OPS+ |
| J. Michaels | 295 | 72 | 7 | 20 | 3 | 50 | .324 | .397 | 87 |
| D. Dellucci | 199 | 41 | 4 | 17 | 2 | 40 | .296 | .382 | 76 |
| B. Francisco | 66 | 17 | 3 | 3 | 0 | 19 | .303 | .500 | 105 |
Not to jump to conclusions due to the small sample size, but Francisco clearly outplayed Dellucci during his stint in Cleveland. Francisco's .814 career OPS against righties also fits in nicely with Michaels' career OPS of .842 against lefties. Dellucci may not even be 100% healthy this season (he had surgery last year to repair a torn hamstring). His salary would be easy to dump and after putting up with the Trot Nixon experiment last year, I'm not sure Dellucci has really earned a spot on the roster. If his veteran status and $3.75 million contract are the main reasons for him making the roster, that hardly seems fair. Not giving Dellucci a chance to defend his job after an injury-filled season is no way to treat a player either, so maybe I'm being a bit harsh. Regardless of salary, I can't see Dellucci getting much leeway this season with two viable alternatives in Francisco and (later on) Choo. I predict a mid-season call up for one of the two young outfielders.
There's really not much to say about Barfield. I had a hunch he would at least start the season in Buffalo, which is good because his offense has been terrible since arriving in Cleveland. Josh had a .270 OBP and .324 SLG in 444 PA for 2007 (no, that OBP isn't a typo). The good news is, Barfield still has an above average glove and has just two full years of major league experience. If he can find his swing again in AAA, Josh will certainly be in the running for the 2009 starting infield. The bad news is, it will take a mammoth effort in AAA from Barfield and an abysmal start from Asdrubal to dislodge him from second base. I'm rooting for him, but don't expect to see much of Barfield this season.
Finally...
I haven't had much time to investigate Fultz's replacement, Craig Breslow, but that's what the internet is for. Jay over at LGT has a nice breakdown of Fultz's departure, while the community chimes in on Breslow. Good stuff.
Thursday, March 20, 2008
The Contenders
There hasn’t been a lot of drama for the Tribe this offseason, which isn’t necessarily a bad thing. It’s unusual for a team to appear in the ALCS one year and have every starter return for round two, yet that’s the enviable position | Pitcher | IP | ERA | WHIP | K/BB | Last Appearance |
| C. Lee | 8.2 | 8.31 | 2.56 | 1.25 | 4 IP, 11 H, 6 ER, 2 SO, 1 BB |
| A. Laffey | 8.0 | 7.62 | 2.00 | .72 | 5 IP, 5 H, 1 ER, 1 SO, 1 BB |
| J. Sowers | 8.0 | 9.00 | 2.00 | 1.33 | 3 IP, 3 H, 1 ER, 2 SO, 0 BB |
I didn’t realize just how few innings each starting pitcher logs in camp, so there’s not much to work with in terms of stats (that and these guys are essentially facing a AAAA team that hasn’t quite found its bat speed yet). Unfortunately, what makes these stats even more one-dimensional are the things like pitch movement, velocity, inherited runners, quality of opposition, etc. that are not included. Wedge and company will be paying much closer attention to how each candidate actually pitches rather than what they post in the box score. For example, is Cliff Lee using a smarter pitch selection than last year? If yes, that’ll earn him a feather in the cap.
| Player | Year | GS | IP | ERA | ERA+ | WHIP | FIP | K/BB |
| J. Sowers | 2006 | 14 | 88.3 | 3.57 | 127 | 1.18 | 4.65 | 1.75 |
| 2007 | 13 | 67.3 | 6.42 | 72 | 1.55 | 5.62 | 1.14 |
One explanation is that Sowers may have been riding luck in 2006. His .256 BABIP and 76.3% LOB% suggest that luck may have indeed been a factor in Sowers’ first 14 appearances. According to Baseball Prospectus, a typical BABIP is .290, so some regression by Sowers would be expected. The high amount of runners stranded only adds to the impression that Sowers may have been walking a tightrope early on. In 2007, Sowers’ BABIP jumped to .308, while his LOB% dropped to 63.2%. More balls finding the gaps meant Sowers’ other peripherals suffered as well, including a .106 jump in his SLG against (.392 to .498). For a more in-depth breakdown on Sowers’ 2006 season, check out this link (there are three parts to the article). It’s to a Tribe blog that I’ve never heard of before, but the writer has some great stuff, particularly in retrospect.
Over 49.3 IP, Laffey posted a 101 ERA+, 1.33 WHIP, and a 2.08 K/BB ratio. He only averaged 5.3 innings per start, but was held to a tight pitch count to ease his adjustment to the longer season. Aaron’s previous career high in innings pitched was 153.2 in the minors; he logged a combined 180.2 IP in the 2008 regular season for
| Player | Year | GS | IP | ERA | ERA+ | WHIP | FIP | K/BB |
| C. Lee | 2005 | 32 | 202.0 | 3.79 | 111 | 1.21 | 3.80 | 2.75 |
| 2006 | 33 | 200.7 | 4.40 | 103 | 1.40 | 4.80 | 2.22 | |
| 2007 | 16 | 97.3 | 6.29 | 73 | 1.52 | 5.59 | 1.83 |
Cliff’s performance has significantly declined in every category except innings pitched. To be blunt, he’s just giving up more of everything in dramatic fashion. His K/BB ratio is Exhibit A in showing how Lee’s lack of quality stuff and poor pitch selection has affected his stats. As a flyball pitcher, Lee is less susceptible to poor infield defense, but his FIP makes it safe to rule that out as a major factor.
Saturday, February 23, 2008
Cavaliers Clean House, Add Playoff Pieces
Friday’s game against the Wizards was like watching a really expensive pick-up game with all the unfamiliar players on the floor. Ten of the fifteen players on the roster were either inactive or signed as emergency injury replacements. The starting five consisted of LeBron, Z, and what’s left of the
Age: 33
Vitals: 6-9, 240
Age: 30
Vitals: 6-7, 244
Age: 24
Vitals: 6-4, 180
Age: 32
Vitals: 6-10, 225
Cleveland Contracts Moved (data from Hoops Hype):
| Arriving Player | 07-'08 | 08-'09 | 09-'10 | 10-'11 |
| B. Wallace | $15,500,000 | $14,500,000 | $14,000,000 | $0 |
| W. Szczerbiak | $12,000,000 | $13,000,000 | $0 | |
| D. West | $1,889,759 | $2,762,828 | $0 | |
| J. Smith | $5,200,000 | $0 | ||
| Total: | $34,589,759 | $30,262,828 | $14,000,000 | |
| Departing Player | ||||
| L. Hughes | $12,000,084 | $12,827,676 | $13,655,268 | $0 |
| D. Gooden | $6,400,000 | $7,100,000 | $0 | |
| D. Marshall | $5,566,965 | $5,950,894 | $0 | |
| I. Newble | $3,441,900 | $0 | ||
| C. Simmons | $1,629,120 | $1,742,760 | $0 | |
| S. Brown | $1,044,120 | $0 | ||
| Total: | $30,082,189 | $27,621,330 | $13,655,268 | |
| Difference: | +$4,507,570 | +$2,641,498 | +$3,44,732 |
Sunday, February 17, 2008
Boobie Shoots, Howard Flies at All Star Fest
The Cavs' Daniel Gibson received an invitation to the NBA All Star game's three point shootout on Saturday. While he didn't clinch his second trophy of the weekend, Gibson still had a respectable second place finish behind reigning champion Jason Kapono. Gibson scored 17 points in both rounds, finishing ahead of Richard Hamilton, Steve Nash, Dirk Nowitzki, and Peja Stojakovic. Kapono tied former Cavalier Mark Price's record, with 24 points in the final round of the event. I know it's all just for fun, but I think it's exciting to see any Cleveland team represented in an All Star event (seriously, how awesome is it to see Boobie walk onto the court between Nowitzki and Nash?). Gibson actually did better than I expected, since it was his first All Star weekend and he was probably a little nervous.The night before, Gibson went crazy in the Rookie-Sophomore game. Boobie nailed a record 11 three pointers on 20 shots and walked away with the game's MVP award. Judging by the 136-109 score, these guys weren't playing much defense anyway, but at least Gibson got a good workout in over the break.
The real highlight of the night was Dwight Howard's real-life interpretation of NBA Jam. Howard may have single-handedly saved the flagging, 31 year old dunk contest with his creativity and showmanship. Many fans were comparing the originality, difficulty, and athleticism of Howard's dunks with those of Vince Carter back in 2000. I'd put Howard's series of three dunks in the top five of all time, easy. There's really no point in my describing the dunks further, but if you haven't seen them by now, they are worth a look. The Superman dunk can be found at the 2:40 mark:
The technical difficulty of Howard's first dunk was superior in my opinion, but the entertainment factor and sheer power of his Superman dunk makes it my personal favorite. I can't remember the last time I enjoyed a slam dunk contest that much. It's too bad LeBron has never given it a go given the insane elevation he can get on his dunks.
Friday, February 15, 2008
Parting Ways
There will be time after the season for the Indians and my representatives to discuss my contract status. I remain hopeful that these discussions will result in a contract extension that will keep me with the franchise for many years to come. In the meantime, in order to avoid any distractions, my representatives and I will not make any further comment about my contractual situation beyond this statement.First off, why was this announcement made through Sabathia's website and not as an official press release on the team website? According to Anthony Castrovince, "Shortly before he posted a message on his official Web site Wednesday night, [Sabathia] told the Indians what he was about to tell the rest of the world." That alone indicates a significant breakdown in negotiations, as if Sabathia's party had left Shapiro hanging in limbo much earlier. The situation is bad enough as it is, but it seems awfully suspect when a player informs a team he's breaking off negotiations at the same time he makes a public announcement on his own. That's not in line with how the Tribe usually does business and makes this sound even worse.
I don't think the way Westbrook and Hafner's negotiations were renewed and finalized after the regular season started are a valid comparison to Sabathia's situation. According to Shapiro, "there's not a lot of common ground" between the Tribe and Sabathia right now. Westbrook and Hafner were much closer to agreeing on the contracts' terms by the time the season started, thus making it possible for a quick resolution. If Sabathia were open to negotiating during the season (he's not), it would probably drag on for most of the season, at least.
Sabathia says extending negotiations into the season would be a distraction, but lets be honest here: his presence at the bargaining table has been minimal so far. Sabathia's agents are the ones doing the negotiating, so what kind of distraction is he referring to? I'm willing to question if Sabathia has even discussed his contract with Shapiro in person at this point. If both sides were still dedicated to getting a deal done, you can bet talks would have extended until April.
Frankly, I'm tired of all the BS being thrown around. Sabathia has said all the right things and maintained a positive demeanor throughout the off-season, but it's now perfectly clear that whatever loyalty he may have had to Cleveland is gone. I'm not saying Sabathia should have blindly taken the first contract put on the table, although reports indicate it was comparable to those of Roy Oswalt, Mark Buehrle, and Jake Peavy (5 years at $17-18 mil a year, including 2008). My point is that even with all the fluffy sound bites being leaked from both parties, the drive to reach a compromise has clearly died.
From a business standpoint, Sabathia is subjecting himself to significant risk in waiting until free agency. Jay at LGT sums up the gamble Sabathia is taking in snubbing the Tribe's offer:
There is no conceivable reason why he wouldn't instruct his attorneys to strike the best deal possible right now. At this moment, his value is at its peak, and he faces significant risk of a devaluing (or even career-ending) injury in the coming year. He simply stands far more to gain by re-signing with the Indians now rather than doing so at the end of the season, and the Indians' bottom line is not going to move much in that time. The inescapable conclusion, therefore, is that he does not intend to settle for a shorter contractual commitment with the Indians, now or at any future point.I agree, in that Sabathia's value is at its peak and he is taking a big risk on being healthy at the end of the season. Jay is also correct in stating that the team's offer is not likely to change much in the future. It would have been foolish for Shapiro to not put the best offer on the table during the team's last shot at exclusive negotiations with its ace pitcher.
The only comparable value Cleveland will take from retaining Sabathia in his final year is that it vastly improves their chances at a deep playoff run. There is no reliable option to replace Sabathia's slot in the rotation this season (I'm citing Carmona's one full season and Miller's inability to stay healthy). Given the paltry returns for Minnesota in the Santana trade, the Indians stand little chance of getting a potential ace, like Phil Hughes, in return. The loaded trade offers Boston and New York were advertising earlier are long gone. Despite his "no-trade" stance on Sabathia, Shapiro should at least be listening to offers now. Just don't expect an offer to come along that will help the team win in 2008.
The Tribe made a generous contract offer; one of the largest in team history, yet it was not enough to even keep negotiations alive. Has anyone heard of a counter-offer from Sabathia's agents? There's no loyalty to be had at this point, it's all about the money. I'd also like to go on the record as saying Sabathia does not care about winning. He can't possibly care about winning a championship; where is he going to sign that will give him a better chance than the elite team Cleveland is fielding right now? New York? Boston? LA? They have the money, but Cleveland has shown it can meet or exceed the talent of any team in baseball.
So why don't you stop hiding behind your agents, man up, and tell us what you really want C.C.?
Tuesday, February 12, 2008
Grover and Elarton Return...Sort Of
Hargrove is among the most distinguished Cleveland managers, helping to guide the team out of the perennial basement and back into contention during the 1990s. Hargrove compiled two AL Pennants and five straight Central Division titles between 1991 and 1999. He also saw several all-time greats emerge during his tenure in Cleveland, including Albert Belle, Sandy Alomar Jr., Jim Thome, Manny Ramirez, Kenny Lofton, and Omar Vizquel.
In addition to being one of the winningest and longest tenured managers in team history, Hargrove also played first base for Cleveland from 1979 to 1985.
Notable Cleveland Managers:
Tris Speaker - 8 years (1919-1926), 617-520 record (.543)
Lou Boudreau - 9 years (1942-1950), 728-649 record (.529)
Al Lopez - 6 years (1951-1956), 570-354 record (.617)
Mike Hargrove - 9 years (1991-1999), 721-591 record (.550)
Joe "Flash" Gordon spent the final four years of his career with Cleveland and was a member of the 1948 World Championship team. Gordon was an outstanding second basemen and had two of his best offensive seasons in 1947 (29 HR, .346 OBP, .496 SLG) and 1948 (32 HR, .371 OBP, .507 SLG). He led the team in HR and RBI while batting cleanup in 1948.Despite a career 120 OPS+, Gordon was better known for his slick defense. Gordon paired with shortstop Lou Boudreau to form one of the best infield defense combos in baseball. For fans who may not be familiar with Gordon and Boudreau, Bob DiBiasio elaborates:
It was held in the highest regard in the history of the franchise. Then Omar [Vizquel] and Robbie [Alomar] brought it back to life [in the '90s] with the debate over which was the better shortstop-second base combo. It took 50 years to bring the conversation full circle in who could match Boudreau and Gordon.Gordon is being honored posthumously, as he passed away in 1978.
Shapiro Goes Bargain Hunting
Cleveland signed Brendan Donnelly to a minor league contract last week. He is currently recovering from an August Tommy John surgery on his elbow and is not expected to pitch for the first several months of the season.
Donnelly played for Anaheim from 2002 to 2006. He was a member of the Angels' juggernaut bullpen that featured Scot Shields, Francisco Rodriguez, and Troy Percival. Donnelly has only been in the majors for six years, but debuted late at age 30.
Donnelly is a setup man by trade and has a career ERA+ of 154 over 315.7 IP. Donnelly's best years came from '02-'06 when he posted an ERA+ of 203, 278, and 150, respectively. Despite a drop off in performance over the last three years, Donnelly has remained an above average reliever. He started the 2007 season with Boston before suffering a right forearm strain that kept him benched for the rest of the season.
I'm surprised the Tribe was able to acquire Donnelly so easily, as the only question mark is how well he recovers from surgery. Donnelly was effective for Boston with 20.7 IP, 3.0 K/BB ratio, 156 ERA+, and 1.16 WHIP. For comparison, Aaron Fultz had a 158 ERA+ in 37 IP last year. Even if it's all potential at this point, Donnelly appears to have enough left in the tank to add legitimate depth and experience to the Tribe bullpen late in the season. It's a long-shot, but depending on how strong Donnelly looks in Buffalo, he could be available to give Lewis and Perez some much needed rest late in the season.
Elarton Invited to Camp
Former Cleveland pitcher Scott Elarton was given an invitation to Spring Training last week. While Cleveland did sign Elarton to a minor league deal so he could attend camp, they are not interested in keeping him on the roster. The Tribe is doing Elarton a favor by giving him a place to work out for other major league scouts and show off his surgically repaired shoulder.
To be honest, I'm not sure how common a move like this is. I can't think of another example of a team inviting a player to camp with zero intention of signing him, but I bet it's happened at least a few times before. Either way, it's a classy thing for Cleveland to do, especially for a guy trying to get healthy and make a comeback. I always liked Elarton when he was with Cleveland. He never had the best stuff, but something about his work ethic and funky, stutter-arm delivery was appealing to me. So good luck in your comeback, Scott.
Finally...
MLB.com Productions posted a series of short videos called Béisbol Dominicano earlier this month. Episode Five is about the Tribe's Dominican baseball academy and is worth a look. I forgot just how young some of the prospects at the academy are, but the fact that the club makes sure they get a high school education (regardless of how their baseball careers pan out) is pretty awesome. It's the second link in the middle row on this page.
Saturday, February 9, 2008
Cavs Injury Update and Z's Season
| Year | GS | Min | PPG | FG% | FT% | Ast | Reb | Blk |
| 04-05 | 78 | 33.5 | 16.9 | .468 | .799 | 1.3 | 8.6 | 2.1 |
| 05-06 | 78 | 29.3 | 15.6 | .506 | .834 | 1.2 | 7.5 | 1.7 |
| 06-07 | 78 | 27.4 | 11.9 | .485 | .807 | 1.6 | 7.7 | 1.3 |
| 07-08 | 48 | 30.9 | 13.9 | .477 | .821 | 1.6 | 9.6 | 1.6 |
05-06
According to the charts, Ilgauskas had 5.72 shot opportunities per game in the paint for this season, 5.64 in 06-07, and 7.2 in 05-06. It looks like my theory about Z getting more of his scoring opportunities away from the hoop was at least part right. His FG% declines right along with his shot opportunities closest to the hoop (predictable, but it was unclear where his shots had been coming from).
| Opponent | Result | FG% | PPG | Reb |
| @Mia | W | .455 | 13 | 11 |
| Was | W | 1.000 | 24 | 6 |
| Pho | L | .600 | 21 | 10 |
| @Lal | W | .400 | 16 | 11 |
| @Por | W | .333 | 7 | 13 |
| @Sea | L | .231 | 17 | 9 |
| Lac | W | .447 | 22 | 13 |
| Bos | W | .818 | 21 | 10 |
| @Hou | L | .438 | 8 | 8 |
| @Atl | W | .615 | 17 | 11 |
| Average | .533 | 16.6 | 10.2 |
While LeBron was busy being his usual spectacular self, Ilgauskas' contributions were overlooked during the team's winning streak (as usual). Big Z has been on fire heading into the All-Star break and will continue to be tested as the injury depleted Cavs face a tough three-game series against Western Conference teams to close it out. It’s crucial that Ilgauskas step up until the Cavs can get healthy again and continue to make LeBron’s job easier.
| Player | GS | Min | PPG | FG% | FT% | Ast | Reb | Blk |
| C. Bosh | 42 | 36.1 | 22.7 | .488 | .850 | 2.2 | 9.1 | 1.1 |
| D. Howard | 51 | 38.9 | 21.8 | .557 | .599 | 1.4 | 14.6 | 2.5 |
| Z. Ilgauskas | 48 | 30.9 | 13.9 | .477 | .821 | 1.6 | 9.6 | 1.6 |
Well, not that great. I’m definitely not calling Ilgauskas’ lack of a bid a “snub,” far from it. Anyone who tries to argue Chris Bosh or Dwight Howard stole a roster spot from Ilgauskas is one serious



